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it is not just nsa intercepts. it is informant information, ation with wiretaps in one case and using them for a second case. that a large database of phone records. phoneer they get a records for someone suspected of involvement in drugs or gang involvement from the dea, they put all of those timbers into one giant database and use that information to compare different cases. all of the collection seems legitimate in terms of being court ordered. what troubled some critics is the fact they are hiding that information from drug defendant to face trial. the problem with that is, if these defendants won't know about some potentially that mayry information affect their case and the right to a fair trial. >> explain exactly how this information is being hidden from judges, prosecutors, and sometimes defense attorneys as well. >> sure. just to give you an example, through any of these four different ways including the nsa intercepts, the dea's special operations division will send the information to a dea agent in the f
it is not just nsa intercepts. it is informant information, ation with wiretaps in one case and using them for a second case. that a large database of phone records. phoneer they get a records for someone suspected of involvement in drugs or gang involvement from the dea, they put all of those timbers into one giant database and use that information to compare different cases. all of the collection seems legitimate in terms of being court ordered. what troubled some critics is the fact they are...
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look, we know the nsa thing is very controversial. they are listening to the phone calls and reading the e-mails or have the ability to, of 300 million americans. so are they justifying that by saying, aha, we listened to the phone calls of these two guys in yemen and should they be telling these two monsters that make bombs that they have their phone numbers? >> steve: fisa was supposed to be for it. those guys over there, it's okay to spy on them. it's the spying on us over here that bothers a lot of people. >> gretchen: so there was another gentleman, former c.i.a. official who was on o'reilley last night. here is his thoughts. >> the mo more disturbing aspect of this is that to release any information that acknowledges that we actually had the phone numbers and intelligence for both the leader of al-qaeda headquarters and the leader of al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula, we've now just burned that source. those phones are gone and those leaders will not use them again. so we have now, unfortunately, cut off a major source of intell
look, we know the nsa thing is very controversial. they are listening to the phone calls and reading the e-mails or have the ability to, of 300 million americans. so are they justifying that by saying, aha, we listened to the phone calls of these two guys in yemen and should they be telling these two monsters that make bombs that they have their phone numbers? >> steve: fisa was supposed to be for it. those guys over there, it's okay to spy on them. it's the spying on us over here that...
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the first way they get it is through passed along nsa intercepts. the second way they get it from regular informants. the third way they get it is from a large data base of telephone and internet data collected inside the united states. and the fourth way is through wiretaps from one investigation and applying it to the next investigation. and what they do is pass these tips along to agents in the field. when the agents are released to make arrests, a traffic stop, they'll pull somebody over for speeding or for a taillight that's out on a pretext. and then after the person is arrested, they won't tell them the true reason why they were pulled over. what the original source of the investigation was. >> if that is -- i recognize that's not unique to this special operations division of the dea as you documented on your reporting that law enforcement sometimes does this to essentially launder the original source of what leads to a prosecution. but in that case, how can a person fully defend themselves if they're not able to follow the accusation against
the first way they get it is through passed along nsa intercepts. the second way they get it from regular informants. the third way they get it is from a large data base of telephone and internet data collected inside the united states. and the fourth way is through wiretaps from one investigation and applying it to the next investigation. and what they do is pass these tips along to agents in the field. when the agents are released to make arrests, a traffic stop, they'll pull somebody over...
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so they may not know it goes all the way back to the nsa and their surveillance programs. critics suggest hiding the origin may violate our right to a fair trial. so it's a big story. reuters broke it, and john shipman is one of the journalists behind this scoop. john, nice to have you on with us. >> thanks for having me. jenna: so our point of reference has been edward snowden and a lot of policy arguments, legal arguments about what the nsa is doing. what this group inside the dea is specific to the dea, what they're doing is something a little bit different. what do you think every american needs to know about this program? >> well, it makes this program different that this goes to nonterrorrist cases. the it's used in what they call ordinary crime cases; drug cases, organized crime, gang cases. and what happens here is that the dea's special operations division which has been publicly known for years for doing international cases and coordinating domestic cases is also passing along these tips, and the people in the field are instructed never to reveal they use it. jen
so they may not know it goes all the way back to the nsa and their surveillance programs. critics suggest hiding the origin may violate our right to a fair trial. so it's a big story. reuters broke it, and john shipman is one of the journalists behind this scoop. john, nice to have you on with us. >> thanks for having me. jenna: so our point of reference has been edward snowden and a lot of policy arguments, legal arguments about what the nsa is doing. what this group inside the dea is...
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c-span will hold -- host an examination of the nsa surveillance program. we will look at the white house recent decision to close some of the middle eastern and african embassies based it on interception intelligence and the impact of the high-level information leaks. joining us will be the freelance journalist and politico defense reporter. we will also take your phone calls, get your reaction on twitter and facebook. the town hall discussion gets under way live at 10:00 eastern. the encore presentation of first ladies. to go the earliest letter we have dates to october 1762, and we call it the miss adorable letter because that is how he opens the letter. john writing to abigail. he says ms. adorable, by the same token that the bearer of hero set up with you last night, as here -- i hereby order you to give him as many cases and many hours of your company after 9:00 as he shapley's to demand and charge them to my account. i presume i have good right to draw upon you for the kisses as i have given to that 3 million at least. and a consequence, the accounts
c-span will hold -- host an examination of the nsa surveillance program. we will look at the white house recent decision to close some of the middle eastern and african embassies based it on interception intelligence and the impact of the high-level information leaks. joining us will be the freelance journalist and politico defense reporter. we will also take your phone calls, get your reaction on twitter and facebook. the town hall discussion gets under way live at 10:00 eastern. the encore...
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. >> reporter: as for the nsa surveilness leaked, lawmakers are pointing to this as proof these programs work. jay carney said he would rather not blend the two issues. >>> police in michigan are looking for your help trying to find a killer. this medical student was found dead in his apartment last month, he had been shot. investigator says it was murder. they were stumped. who would want to kill him? there's a $10,000 reward leading to his arrest. he was shot in the neck. police are not sure who pulled the trigger. >>> two children of the cleveland kidnapper, ariel castro are take whag they can from his former home. his son and daughter were at the house on monday gathering photos and moe mentos from their childhood. he held three women captive for a decade. he agreed to spend the rest of his life in jail as part of a plea deal. >>> romney will appear at a fund raise erz for the new hampshire. the former massachusetts governor has been keeping a low profile since losing the presidency last year or election, at least. he hasn't given indications he will be active -- he has given indicat
. >> reporter: as for the nsa surveilness leaked, lawmakers are pointing to this as proof these programs work. jay carney said he would rather not blend the two issues. >>> police in michigan are looking for your help trying to find a killer. this medical student was found dead in his apartment last month, he had been shot. investigator says it was murder. they were stumped. who would want to kill him? there's a $10,000 reward leading to his arrest. he was shot in the neck....
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the nsa, edward snowden, the chatter, right up his wheelhouse? >> no, i mean, absolutely. there isn't a more contiguous time for national security reporters than right now. a crackdown on national security reporters. they're risking going to prison if they don't reveal their sources. they have launched investigations on war whistle-blowers in the previous three administrations combined. definitely there was a climate i feel like fear, of it made their job -- made michael's job a hole lot more difficult but motivated him more than ever to go out, tell the truth and challenge authority and call for more transparency in government. >> for those who scorn on kind of investigative journalist, many do, it's a lonely business. what is it like to be married to someone like that? occasionally scary and all the other things that go with it? >> it made really exciting and wonderful to be with such a passionate person who really cared so much. he cared so much for telling the stories other people didn't want to tell and always said to choose a big target. it you're going after someone
the nsa, edward snowden, the chatter, right up his wheelhouse? >> no, i mean, absolutely. there isn't a more contiguous time for national security reporters than right now. a crackdown on national security reporters. they're risking going to prison if they don't reveal their sources. they have launched investigations on war whistle-blowers in the previous three administrations combined. definitely there was a climate i feel like fear, of it made their job -- made michael's job a hole lot...
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the nsa's efforts are geared to stopping terrorists, and the dea is targeting drug dealers. ordinary crime is entirely different. it sounds like they are phonying up investigation. there were two senior dea officials quoted here. they defended the program saying trying to recreate an investigative trail is not only legal but a technique that is used almost daily. we would alert state police to find an excuse to stop a vehicle and then have the dogs search it. the training document refers to the process of parallel construction. the senior official said the process is kept secret to protect sources and investigative methods. it's a decade's old process. we'll talk to charlie pierce about that and more. charlie pierce of esquire.com next on the "stephanie miller show." >> that's hilarious. >> ... and the thinkers thinking. >> okay, so there is wiggle room in the ten commandments is what you're telling me. >> she's joy behar. >> ya, i consider you jew-talian. >> okay, whatever you want. >> who plays kafka? >> who saw kafka? >> who ever saw kafka? >> (laughter). >> asking the to
the nsa's efforts are geared to stopping terrorists, and the dea is targeting drug dealers. ordinary crime is entirely different. it sounds like they are phonying up investigation. there were two senior dea officials quoted here. they defended the program saying trying to recreate an investigative trail is not only legal but a technique that is used almost daily. we would alert state police to find an excuse to stop a vehicle and then have the dogs search it. the training document refers to the...
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so they pulled in from the cia, nsa, fbi, all of the different intelligence agencies. and then put together a suggestion about how to protect yourself against these threats. that's similar to the way the nrc does it. in practical terms that's what i would envision. >> i want to make a quick point about the nerc. we are a nuclear company, and we have brought in a lot of talent from our nuclear business to help mature parts of the i.t. and our compliance programs. and we have brought their discipline and practices and processes into our nerc program. it's helped us i think mature and evolve to a very disciplined safety because they have been used to operating under that level prescription for many years. they have a lot of practice that we've been able to bring the soviet is a model that we've looked at to help us in other parts of our company. >> yeah, i would say the es-isac is well-positioned to be the mediator for us. with nerc is involvement in the es-isac already the assurances that we now have on the separation between information sharing and enforcement, it would
so they pulled in from the cia, nsa, fbi, all of the different intelligence agencies. and then put together a suggestion about how to protect yourself against these threats. that's similar to the way the nrc does it. in practical terms that's what i would envision. >> i want to make a quick point about the nerc. we are a nuclear company, and we have brought in a lot of talent from our nuclear business to help mature parts of the i.t. and our compliance programs. and we have brought their...
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the same time they were withholding hearings about surveillance and americans and the power of the nsa. suddenly it stopped and now we are worried about an imminent threat? host: this from "usa today," authorities released the names of 25 suspects on monday, saying that they were planning terrorist attacks across the country. the development came as washington ordered the closure of 20 u.s. diplomatic missions throughout the war -- throughout the week. the suspects being targeted in office, with government installations in the country, things were beefed up from the ports. this topic of discussion came up yesterday at the white house during the usual press briefing held by j kearney. talking about the current threat, here is what they had to say. [video clip] toi am not in a position discuss specific intelligence, but we believe the threat is significant and we are taking it seriously for that reason. we have taken the actions announced by the state department, an abundance of caution. we will continue to monitor this and take action as necessary. is daytona beach, florida, republican
the same time they were withholding hearings about surveillance and americans and the power of the nsa. suddenly it stopped and now we are worried about an imminent threat? host: this from "usa today," authorities released the names of 25 suspects on monday, saying that they were planning terrorist attacks across the country. the development came as washington ordered the closure of 20 u.s. diplomatic missions throughout the war -- throughout the week. the suspects being targeted in...